Transition : pt3. Transexual. A court Case, And A Story In That's Life Magazine!

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By Nell Rose

It get's better and better!

If any of you read my first story about my husband and his change, then you will understand that it was not only difficult for both of us, but that didn't even include the outside world. I was just getting to grips with the idea that my husband was no longer my husband, when he decided that he needed a job. I thought, 'Oh great, now we have to face the world'. He had worked over the years, but not in any particular trade or profession. Just bits of work here and there. But the trouble this time was the fact that, who on earth is going to employ someone who has decided that he no longer wants to be a he, but is now a she? I was still having trouble going to work myself. Just trying to explain all this to friends and colleagues was a nightmare. As I wrote before, after the shock of finding out about my husband, I had to take a long time off of work because my kidney decided to explode! Well nearly, but that's another story.

Blundering in.

One Saturday morning, I am cleaning the house, when all of a sudden, Jake, I will still call him Jake so there is no confusion, comes rushing indoors. 'I have got the job!' 'Fantastic' say I. 'What Job?' now at this point I didn't even know that he had gone for a job. 'It's just a cleaning job, but it's a start' He says. I am a bit surprised, but tell him well done. I don't really care to be quite honest, all I can think about is how to escape this horrible fallacy of a marriage. He goes on to explain how and when he got the job. Great, says I, now he will be out from under my feet.

The day dawned when he was to go down and start the job. It was fine for about twenty minutes, then all of a sudden the front door springs open, Jake comes blundering in, in a flaming temper. What now? I think to myself.

'That lying B'''''''''d! I got there and he said I couldn't have the job! I think it's the way that I am put him off!' I remember looking at him and thinking, this is just the start, this is what my life with him or her is going to be like. I closed my eyes, and started praying for someone to GET ME OUTTA THERE! I could feel the panic coming on because of the hassle that this selfish ba''''''''''d was causing and going to cause.

Then I get mad.

'What do you mean? You said that you were going to start today, so how can he say you haven't got the job?' My brain starts going into overdrive. had Jake got it wrong? did he somehow think that the job was his, but in fact the interview was just that, an interview? But how would he know what time to start?

Jake started to get upset. 'I did try, and now he's throwing it in my face'. I can feel my brain churning round and round. Forget it, just forget it. But there was a small stubborn part of me that said, no, if you let this go, then it will always be like that. 'Phone him in front of me, I want to hear what he has to say' I said, still suspicious. Surely no one would do this, it wouldn't be allowed. So Jake picked up the phone and put it on loud speaker. I could hear it ringing. Then a voice came on the end.

'Hello, Simon here, can I help you?

'Yes it's me Jake, I want to know why you took the job away from me'

Silence. then, 'I rethought out the situation and decided that you were not suitable for the job'

'Why? is it the way that I am? is that it?'

'Of course not, you are just not suitable'

'But it's just a cleaning job, for Christ's sake!'

' I have said my piece, and that is that' He slammed down the phone. I looked at jake and he looked back at me.

'Take him to court' I said. WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING? my brain does that sometimes. Jumps straight in, doesn't think about the consequences. But somewhere in my head I knew that if we let this go, it would happen again and again. Jake just looked stunned. 'Court?' he said stunned.

'Court' I said

Reluctant Celebrity.

We found a solicitor who was fascinated by the whole thing, and set up the day of the court case. I was still a bit reluctant to go, but as it was my big mouth that got us into it, I thought it was best that I show up and not stay at home, hiding under the bed. I wish.

The day dawned fine and sunny, but I was a quivering wreck. 'Just sit down until you are called and answer all the questions truthfully, and don't worry' The solicitor smiled, a bit sickly I thought. I looked around the room, it was just a small offside court room for small claims and disputes. I had to sit in the back row of wooden seats as Jake was down front talking to the solicitor. I suddenly noticed a movement to my right, and saw a little man, wearing a suit, shuffle in and sit next to me. he had a notepad and pen. Great, I thought, local bloody paper. I had forgotten that reporters always attended hearings. I tried to concentrate on the case, but my eyes kept slipping to his notepad. he was scribbling away and suddenly he got up, scooted towards the door, and I noticed that he was talking animatedly on his phone. I had a sudden intuition about what he was going to do. He was calling a photographer! Now I know this sounds dramatic, but thinking about it, I realised that he must spend his whole time coming to boring court cases, and when he arrived here, he thought that it would be the same old thing. Then he saw Jake. And the lights went on.

 

I tried to get Jake's attention, but he was arguing with the job man. Then it came to an end. We had lost, not enough evidence. By the time the solicitor came to escort us out, I knew, now in a state of panic, that there would be a photographer waiting outside the building.

'Wait' I said, beginning to get twitchy. They looked at me strangely. 'This is going to sound weird, but I just know that there is going to be someone taking photos when we get outside'. The solicitor smiled, and spoke in a voice as though I was a child. 'Don't be silly dear, this is such a small case, that they won't even remember it, it's not worth reporting'. And she turned and sashayed away. 'Jake' I hissed, 'do as I say, when we get to the front door, put your coat over your head'.

'Now I know you've lost it' he moaned. 'Jake, if you don't do what I say, I will kick you out the door, savvy?' he shook his head and walked down the stairs. I crept down behind him, my head swiveling in all directions. Where the hell was he? I knew he was there. I can read people like a book, this was just too good to miss. We headed for the doors. I peered past Jake, and just around the corner of the building, I could see a man with a large reporters camera, smoking. He saw me, and just then spotted Jake going out the door. He scrambled for the camera. I rushed over to Jake and grabbed his jacket. Throwing it over his head, I yelled, 'PHOTOGRAPHER, QUICK LEG IT!' The solicitor looked alarmed and then quickly understood. 'Quick, this way' she said and started running down the street. I chucked my coat over my head, Victoria Beckham I aint!

Talk about persistent!

Puffing and blowing, we made it to the car. 'Well' said the solicitor, 'It seems that you were right', I raised my eyebrows 'No shit Sherlock' I muttered. Jake started to laugh. I could have murdered him! 'Oh, ha bloody ha' I thought. I don't mind being famous, but this was taking the dooda! We eventually got home. Safe at last. Ten minutes later, there was a knock at the door. I knew it couldn't be the solicitor because she had gone home, amused, bemused and a bit startled. And wanting her money.

I opened the door. There was the little reporter standing there! 'Can I come in?' he said in a pleasant voice. For the next hour he kept on and on, trying to get us to tell the story, get a photograph and make himself bloody famous! We stuck to our guns. No way ho zay. Eventually he left. 'Thank goodness for that' I said. And tried to forget it.

Two weeks later, we got a phone call from That's Life magazine. 'Can I interview you?' evidently reporters have a communal pool of cases that they can go through to get a story. 'I will pay you of course', she said. Jake looked at me, I at him.

Double page Spread!

She was really nice, she took down all our details and we got to the payment part. 'We will pay you two hundred pounds' She said, smiling. Sod off, I thought, you want it, you pay for it. 'Six hundred' I say, Jake nearly dies on the spot! 'Well that is a bit much, we don't usually...' 'Six or forget it!' I stand, with my arms folded, a look of stubborn anger, and a small smirk of pride in my perseverance. 'You called us, you want the story, so you make it worthwhile' 'WHERE THE HELL WAS THIS COMING FROM?' I thought to myself. But I knew. I had had enough of the bullshit. Enough of the pushing and shoving, it was my turn.

She thought for a moment, and reached for her phone. After a brief conversation she said, 'Okay, it's a deal'. Jake nearly fell of the chair. After she had gone he said, 'How the bloody hell did you do that?'

'Stubborn I guess!'

Spotlight on the Grass

Now I am useless in bloody high heels, the last time I wore a pair I nearly broke my neck. I remember it well, I was coming home from the pub, no, I wasn't drunk, well not really, and with me was one of my 'slight indiscretions!' and we had, well you know, on the way home. Saying goodbye I staggered halfway along the road and did not see the edge of the pavement, well I did see it, but it seemed to have moved from one second to the next. Honestly it did. And whoomp! Bum on the grass, skirt in the air! But that's beside the point. Where was I? Oh yeah, I was trying to sachay down the stairs to the green outside, as the photographer was waiting for me to join Jake, to take the photo for the magazine. I eventually managed to stagger outside, and there on the grass was the photographer, a bloody big camera, and this strange looking blue mirror backdrop thingy, that was getting caught by the wind, and was flapping around like a mad bat on steroids. I could see the eyes of the world on me. Well the whole block of flats at least, curtains were twitching, and the silence was deafening.

'Okay, over here, over here, that's it, now just stand stiill there and smile at each other'

I looked at Jake and thought, 'Smile? what the hell had I got to smile about? I am going to have my picture in a bloody magazine, (sorry to keep swearing, it's a Brit thing!) and all the world is going to know that I have got landed with a rather strange man!

'Sorry, sorry, can you get nearer please? okay we'll try that again' He must have seen my scowl, don't look good on paper, I can curdle milk with just one look.

'This isn't working, can we go on your balcony?'

'Oh bloody great, a close up!' I had just dyed my hair and it had come out too blonde, I looked pale and insipid, vanity was at work.

Eventually I managed to climb back up the stairs and head for the balcony. He took his photos and eventually got the best shot, or he thought so at least, I didn't, I thought all of them were crap, but anyway, he decided that he had got the one that he could use and with a smile said 'Oh, just to let you know, you will get paid after the article has been published, bye then' and of he went. Crafty. Really crafty. So in other words, if we didn't like the article, or the pictures, and then we complain, we don't get paid! So we waited in trepidation, until the day arrived when we were splashed all over the magazine.

'What do you think?' Jake said, after flicking through the That's Life magazine.

I was horrified. 'I look bloody awful!' 'Is that all you can say? what about the article itself?' Jake looked amazed at my shallow outlook on the whole thing. Well you gotta have some sort of vanity or else everything falls to pieces, I thought.

I took the magazine and read every word. It was to sickly and flowery, I thought. She had made my words sound so sweet. And I aint sweet! But then looking at the whole story, I realised that actually she had got it right. The only difference between her and me was the fact that I was bitter and twisted and she saw it how it was. A marriage that had gone wrong, but two people caring enough to try and make something work out of it. 'So the world knows' I mumbled 'So the world knows' Jake replied.

Epilogue.

I walked into the pub, got myself a drink and started to walk towards my table. Nobody seemed to be taking any notice, or so I thought.

'HI, I SAW YOU IN THE MAGAZINE, YOU AND JAKE' , I turned to see who was yelling at me, supposedly trying to get over the music. 'So, Shelley, how are you? okay?' I looked at her, another bitch with an itch. 'AHHH, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU STILL LOVED HIM, SOOOO SWEET' she looked at my with her flat face and narrow eyes, wearing the leather jacket that she so often slagged me off for wearing. (She had said I looked like a witch with my leather jacket, leather buckled boots and mini skirt, and enquired where was my broom? ha ha, I told her, at the top of my voice of course, that I only used a hoover, it was so much more up to date, and the power between my legs...well) Now she always wore one. Jealousy, a funny thing.

'I NEVER KNEW THAT YOU FELT LIKE THAT ABOUT EACH OTHER' her eyes narrowed, waiting for the red face, that never came.

The pub went silent. Like it always does. I turned to her, and then surveyed the pub. 'YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT CRAP, DID YOU? I TOLD THEM WHAT TO SAY, THEY PUBLISHED IT AND I GOT A THOUSAND POUNDS! SO WHO ARE YOU SNEARING AT? IF YOU WANT TO BE A BITCH, TRY BEING A CLEVER BITCH LIKE ME!' Then I leaned over towards her, and whispered, now f.....k off!

Game set and match to me.

Postscript

Thanks to That's Life magazine for being so nice, and I didn't really get a thousand pounds so you don't have to sack anybody! That was just for show in the pub!

These are not in chronological order, this happened in 2001.

Even though this was quite some time after the events in the first part of this story, it took years for my husband to become a complete woman, so even though a few years had gone by, at the time this happened it was still difficult to face the world every time he made another change.

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msorensson Level 3 Commenter 22 months ago

Wow...that is what I call nerve of steel..

Honestly, Nell, I would not have known how to handle such a thing, the reporter and being written up. I am sooo proud of you!! Bravo!!

This reminds me of the wife of Sherman in "The Bonfire of the Vanities" when she said to Sherman "I can forgive almost anything, Sherman...except television"

Great hub, as always, Nell.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi, Melinda, that was quick! I had enough of people bossing me around! lol I think that if you let people push you, then they will keep pushing, so I bit back this time. thanks as always nell

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msorensson Level 3 Commenter 22 months ago

At least you were aware that they were pushing you!! Some of us don't!! I salute you.

sheila b. Level 4 Commenter 22 months ago

I'm fascinated with your story. I know I wouldn't have been able to handle any of it as well as you did. Best yet, you kept your sense of humor.

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Hello, hello, 22 months ago

A situation like that certainly wants to be dealt with and handled. You really can be so proud of yourself. You are also a wonderful writer and great courage to share your experiences.

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Petra Vlah Level 3 Commenter 22 months ago

Hi Nell, this is such an inside into the human mind and soul when confronted with the unexpected. They say "what does not kill you, makes you stronger" and it may be true, but painful nevertheless.

It is your sense of humor that saved you and I hope you will continue this serie and let us know what happened next.

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Petra Vlah Level 3 Commenter 22 months ago

P.S. my computer has a mind of its own and posted the comment twice, so I just changed the second to a P.S.

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mega1 Level 3 Commenter 22 months ago

You are really something! Who would do this? stay with him through thick and thin? Kudos to you and your stubbornness too. A friend became a man, but "he" is a "gay" man! isn't it too strange, why go through all that sex change to become a man who likes other men? Life is strange.

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Enlydia Listener Level 6 Commenter 22 months ago

Dear Nell, You amaze me...but of course you know we all have so many questions...and I am sure you will answer some of them as you go on with your story...I suppose some of us wonder how we would handle it, if it happened to us....are you saying that they did not pay you for the story?

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akirchner Level 4 Commenter 22 months ago

Nellie, you have me laughing and laughing - even though part of it is not so funny! I love your comebacks and you sound like me. When enough is enough, we come out swinging. Great job on telling us the story. I'm afraid I would have punched SOMEONE along the way!

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi again Melinda, It took a while but trust me, I kept pushing! ha ha thanks again

Hi, Sheila, it's just one of those things that I just didn't see coming with a husband or partner, i forgot to mention, or maybe I did, that I got a divorce soon after the first story. not a lot of point being married to a man who was now a woman! thanks again

Hi, Hello Hello, thanks as always, I didn't realise that I could be so stubborn! I think that I had just had enough of people laughing and pushing, I wasn't going to take anymore from anyone. thanks again

Hi, petra, thanks I am really surprised that anyone would be interested, and I am very grateful to everybody for seeing through the whole mess of it and being so kind, so thank you

Hi, mega, yes that is really strange, I can just about get my head around the fact that my husband wanted to be a woman because of genetics, and is not interested in men or women, but to change sex from a woman to a man, and then fancy men? confused!!! ha ha thanks

Hi, Enlydia, if you have any questions that are really bugging you, just drop me a line and I will willing explain them to you, and will probably incorporate it in the next hub, I really don't mind, If I didn't want anyone to know I would have kept the secret to myself, so any time give me a buzz, okay? thanks as always oh forgot to say, we did get paid! 600 pounds, about a thousand dollars! wayheh!! ha ha

Hi, Audrey, we are king of the comebacks! ha ha when I realised that I was good at it, I kept doing it! lol now i think that I have probably a whole range of comebacks and nobody can beat me! and trust me, a few punches along the way did occur! ha ha thanks again nell

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mysterylady 89 22 months ago

What you have done is quite remarkable and quite creative. You have taken a mind-blowing situation and distanced yourself enough to treat it with humor. Bravo!

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi, mysterlady, I can look back now and see the humour, I must admit, but at the time I was on the edge! lol if anybody had done the wrong thing at certain points I would have blown a gasket! lol thanks as always nell

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JannyC 22 months ago

Your an amazing women Nell in that you shared this. Your probably not alone either so just think you sharing this could help other women who may happen to be in the same situation. Never know.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi, Janny, I hope so, I have read a few things about other people in this situation, so hopefully it will help, thanks as always nell

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valeriebelew Level 2 Commenter 22 months ago

As I've told you before, I almost married a guy who turned out to be gay, but he never dressed in drag. It seems that you told me once that your husband is not actually gay, and still wanted only you. How is that going to work with him as a woman? Interesting hub. I've read them all about this, and would hate to have to deal with the issue so publicly. My situation was not as bad, because he wasn't dressed as a woman and still my boyfriend. I actually encourged him to come out of the closet, and he has been with the same guy for years, but he never attracted attention walking down the street. Don't think I could have handled that, being that I am a very private person, especially about that kind of thing. Good read. (:v

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Pollyannalana 22 months ago

Wow I will have to find more time today to get back to your poems! This caught my eye, what a story. Hope I don't make you mad but you both look good, he sort of has a Daphne, (Jane Leeves)look. Honestly too it is terrible what you have been through but he has not sinned that I can see, not chosen anyone over you and I am sure for whatever reason he just cannot help it. I don't think even God would condemn him just for that except for the waste of your life not being truthful sooner. But I am sure things like this are hard on everyone. Many woman don't care for sex and might have 7 kids...it's just another part of life. Polly

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi, valerie, he wanted to be a woman because his genetics were always a bit of a mystery since he was a child, he loved me but not in a sexual way, he is not the slightest bit interested in sex, he is asexual which means that he doesn't and isn't interested in sex in the slightest, I have always been a private person, but I had no choice when all this came out, I think I have just got past the point of caring now, he has taken away all my ambitions and urges to meet anyone else, so it doesn't matter, thanks again nell

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Green Lotus Level 6 Commenter 22 months ago

I've been itching to get round to reading this Nell and finally made it. As usual you do not disappoint, you inspire beyond words. This is by far the best "true" story I've read in ages and I'm so honored to "know" such a remarkable woman as yourself. BTW, the photo is very real too and shows your outstanding moxie!

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi, Polly no of course you don't make me mad! lol You know I always appreciate your comments, and you are right he can't help it, but I do wish that he had moved away at the time. I feel trapped in a sort of middle world of not being married, but not being available, but I will explain all this on another hub, thanks as always nell

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi, Green lotus, you popped up right in front of me there! ha ha I was just answering polly. Thank you so much for your kind words, I try and find the interesting bits that happened but of course there were some heartbreaking ones as well which I will try to put into words, like when he had the operation and my reaction, thanks as always nell

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carolina muscle Level 1 Commenter 22 months ago

Wow.... Have you been through the emotional sawmill!!!

congrats and kudos on being able to tough it out!

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi, carolina muscle, thanks for reading it, and it was pretty bizarre! lol now you can see why I love male company! cheers nell

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DoorMattnomore Level 1 Commenter 22 months ago

the high heels really cracked me up. Stupid curbs always moving like that!!

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi,DoorMattnomore, don't talk to me about heels! ha ha gravity seems to take my ankles and make me fall sideways! lol thanks so much for the comment, cheers nell

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prasetio30 Level 8 Commenter 22 months ago

You did it again. Another hub from you, Nell. I really enjoy your story. Thumbs up for you. Have a good day!

Prasetio

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SilverGenes Level 4 Commenter 22 months ago

Wow! Under that calm, pretty exterior lurks one smart tiger! I felt like standing and cheering when you got to the part in the pub. Life is really something, isn't it? Just when you think you can't do something, you've proven that it can be done and with flourish! Wow - you are amazing!

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi, prasetio, thanks again for reading it, it's nice to see you, thanks nell

Hi, SilverGenes, thanks for the kind words, I didn't know I had it in me! lol I think by this time I had got fed up with people taking the whatsit! thanks as always, nell

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Sa`ge 22 months ago

Nell, Nell, I loved every word. Kept my mind going from sad to laughing historically. I love your style of writing. Makes me feel like I am there. waiting for more! you go girl! :D ~aloha~

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi, Sa'ge, thanks so much for your nice words, and I am glad you are enjoying it, I will be writing the follow up soon, thanks as always nell

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burning bush 22 months ago

You are incredibly tolerant and compassionate no matter what you say you were thinking. I believe what your husband was going through would make his life an absolute hell so he is/was very lucky to have you for support, moral or otherwise. It would seem he gave you very little consideration in return. You are a rock.

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Micky Dee Level 4 Commenter 22 months ago

I do love you Nell! I love your story though it's been hard for you. You write so well, my Nell! Thank you for this and all your other writes! You are great!

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

HI, burning bush, thanks for reading it, I totally agree with what you say about him giving me little consideration, the trouble was that at the time it started, my mum and dad were old and ill, I never spoke to my brother who had his own mental problems looking after them and i had nowhere else to go to, in a sense I still have nowhere else to go, so i have to make the most of it. we do get on, just! thanks nell

Hi, Mickey, love you too, even the bike! ha ha thanks as always, and for the nice compliments, cheers nell

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mulberry1 Level 1 Commenter 22 months ago

You know, at least here in the US, people who have these more unusual experiences can make a lot of money selling their story. Heck, it would probably be a reality TV show. You could be set for life! Maybe you could convince Jake to go on the talk show circuit or something. Make a million and then you could file for support, move out, etc. (it's the happily ever after thing I was talking about) Just kidding, you were impulsive but brave to do what you did here. I'm a private person, can't imagine it all playing out in front of everyone.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi, mulberry, you are probably right, in the States I probably could have made a lot of money, but not over here, they want the story for nothing! lol the thing that I forgot to say in here was the fact that the TV programme did get in touch to go on there, but I chickened out! we felt that as we would not get paid for it, I just felt that it would be a freak show, and I didn't want to expose myself to that sort of embarrassment, but thanks again I really appreciate it, cheers nell

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cameciob Level 2 Commenter 22 months ago

Hi Nell again, looks like I'm one story behind. But I enjoyed this story with the magazin. Very smart of you to monetized the publicity. The sad part is that they sould have been writing about the job that Jake didn't get and what could have been the reasons.

See you on part 4.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi, cameciob, you are right, it seems that they wanted to just forget it, I felt at the time that it wasn't a good idea to pursue it, as we didn't want to show Jake up thanks as always for commenting and I really appreciate it, sorry it took so long to answer but I have been out all day, cheers nell

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pmccray Level 4 Commenter 22 months ago

Nell Rose you've got some brass ones!!! I watch and read all I can about transgendered persons. Not much is written about the spouse or family, and what they go through during the transition.

I found your hub not only terribly funny, but very insightful. You've given your readers a peek at the other side of this subject. Revealing your innermost pain takes a lot of strength and courage.

I commend you on a very well written hub, thank you for sharing.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 22 months ago

Hi, pmccray, thanks for reading it, I understand what you mean about never hearing the other side of the story, I hope this will help another woman or even a man that is going through a similar situation with their spouse, and make them realise that you can get through the embarrassment and hurt of it all, thanks again nell

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Freya Cesare Level 4 Commenter 21 months ago

I'm so sorry it takes times for me to get here, Nell. I missed the "premiere" of this hub because I am away for while.

Amazing story! And you wrote it in very interesting way. I admiring your bravery.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 21 months ago

Hi, Freya, thank you so much and I do understand that we have other things that we have to do in our lives, this was a difficult time for me but of course there are other people out there that have so much worse things in their lives, so I shouldn't moan about it as my husband is still around for me to speak too, but thank you so much, cheers nell

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Georgiakevin 21 months ago

Nell how did you get through everything without feeling bitter and angry at Jake and those who helped Jake? I thought that counseling was a prerequisite to hormones? I thought that a stable life before hormones and surgery would be recommended.Being transsexual is a horrible cross to bare but if a person decides to go through everything to make them be the person they are inside, wouldn't it make sense to take care of your family first? If a person has problems in other areas of their lives taking hormones and surgery only can make them worse. Just an opinion but how Jake did it made your nightmare even worse. I am sorry Nell.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 21 months ago

Hi, Georgiakevin, Jake and I argued for at least three years if not more, every single day, I screamed at him that he was selfish, and told him to get out, he moved away for a couple of months, came back, went again, and then came back and decided that he wasn't going to move! I went out, met some other guys, just for a while, and we did at one stage decide that we would get it sorted and he would move, then everything went wrong, first of all my kidney more or less exploded as I had a kidney that was malformed from birth so I had to have a massive operation, this took me about a year to recover, so Jake stayed and looked after me, then his mother died, so I looked after him, then my dad died, closely followed by my mum, then Jake's best friend got killed in a carcrash! nightmare after nightmare, then I lost a good friend too! so we clung to each other like two people on a raft in a stormy sea, and we seem to have got stuck with each other now! i felt that fate hated us and was throwing everything our way at once, so we seem to have stayed together for comfort if nothing else, thanks for your concern I really appreciate it, Nell

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Georgiakevin 21 months ago

Your story is a sad one but your strength shows up so much in it. What makes you strong is your kindness I am impressed.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 21 months ago

Hi, Georgiakevin, thanks for coming back, I really appreciate your kind words, thanks again nell

judith 19 months ago

you deserve all the praise and support of the previous responders, that's for sure. I am more in awe of your ability to describe your internal feelings and reactions, find words, as my father changed sex after my mother died, and it was over 30 years ago. Getting the children sorted out while my father went thru the change was all we could think about, and moving away. Actually, we couldn't think. I always suspected that the spouse would be knocked out by this but have never read anyone honestly describe it.

Over three years ago I saw a talk show with a Japanese Heritage american doctor who changed sex, and his Japanese heritage wife, also a doctor. Their children weren't on the show, although video was show of them. I am sure you have seen many transsexuals and their families on talk shows, but I could see how controlled the wife was, almost as if she had to be perfect as much as the transsexual had to be perfect. It was like a butterfly pinned on the screen. Frozen in amber. She and the children were being used as medical adjuncts and costume to cover the transsexual. Of course this transsexual had the resources to pull this off in sophisticated style, and being of a short stature wouldn't attract the attention of a typical american transsexual of other ethnic origin.

I contrast her, who looked like she wasn't allowed to be anything but an appendage to the transsexual to you, who have been able to describe your feelings and actions at some point in time. It is hard for me to follow the chronology. I don't understand much about hubs, etc, only had a computer two months. But I know there is something about keywords that make sure you get picked up

on the web, so I hope you do your best to make sure your site gets picked up for other wives of transsexuals and crossdressers, even by children of transsexuals.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 19 months ago

Hi, judith, thanks for reading it and leaving such a great comment, I know what you mean about most wives in this situation, they seem to be carried along in a wave of shocked brainwashing, I have seen them on TV as you said and they sit there smiling away. It is a shock thing, because it is something that is so rare we don't know how to handle our husbands doing this. As you know and probably felt too at the time, there are no rules and regulations to handle this situation when our fathers or husbands do this. When somebody is gay we have heard about it enough to understand it, but not this. thanks so much for reading it, and I will certainly be trying to send it to other wives, I may even try and get it published as this is just one of four stories to do with this subject, cheers nell

judith 19 months ago

Please don't publish this part, because I may no know what I am talking about, but what I meant is that the titles of your hubs don't end up where people would look. I clicked on you from Izetti's hub. So if you retitled your hubs on this subject as My Husband the Transsexual/My husband the Cross Dresser, Part 1, etc., then it would pop up on google. If you talked to the hubmaster, or whatever they call them, they could make sure it ends up where people that need to hear what you have to say come across it.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 19 months ago

Hi, judith, I think you are right! thanks so much again, I will do that tomorrow, and thanks for reading it and giving your great ideas, I really appreciate it, cheers nell

p.s. I did publish it because it was such a great help thanks for taking the time to comment and we all appreciate a different and helpful view.

Judith 19 months ago

Hi, Nell. I am wondering if you could read an article on the web and maybe comment on it, maybe do another hub. If you type 'children of transsexuals' in search the first thing that comes up is 'Transparency = Children of transsexual parents, by Richard Green. DOn't know why I bothered to put quotes because I cant remember the exact words. Anyway, Richard Green is a 'sexologist' and did dthis 'study' on children of transsexuals, which is not a true study, but he added to it after it was cited in a court case because no other professional had ever written anything on this, and he was heavily involved in gender identity clinics here, retiring from Charringcross Hospital, which I think is in London.

When you read this, after his stuff about the kids, he cites 'parental alienation syndrome' as what defines the spouses of transsexuals do as being what turns the children away from the transsexual. I don't see it that way, and I wrote about it on izetti's hub, but I hate that the wives are always accused of 'alienating the children' and because this is very real in divorce cases generally, I don't think it applies to wives of transsexuals. I just think there should be something out there that gives very real insight instead of being labeled this way in the courts, because the transsexual groups have lobbying groups and lawyers, etc., and there should be something on the web that allows others to have insight, because in a court you only have one side.

I know that Charm M has a site with a hub on the same topic as yours, too. Mybe you could both do seperate hubs. a. Anyway, I don't suspect you tried to 'alienate the affections' of your son, far from it. I was even wondering how to get people at Charring Cross to read these hubs, but what would happen is the they would spread it around and then you might get a bunch of unwanted attention. As to the children, he just judges whether we retained our biological gender identity, and whether we suffered unduly from peer pressure. As if .... I wonder what Izetti would think if she read the original research, which I think is linked in the article.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 19 months ago

Hi, Judith, thanks for coming back, I will certainly go over and take a look. My husband was seen to at Charing Cross as well! I think the trouble is that courts and judges etc, don't bother to find out the background to each and every case. Some transexuals are very selfish and the wives don't bother to find out the why's and history of why their husband is this way, my son was only young, but I did the one thing that not many of us do, I asked his opinion! Did he want his dad to move? no? okay then! maybe I was wrong, maybe I should have taken him away at the time, it would certainly have made life much more easy for him, but that was me. funnily enough I recently met another girl just up the road from me, who has also had a father who did this! I will definitely go and have a look, and I don't mind if people at charing cross read these stories, I wouldn't have written them on here if I wanted it to be kept quiet, have you read my other links about this? they are on the page above, just click on them and it will take you to them, please write again soon if you wish too, take care nell

not white trash 16 months ago

nice one with the jurno's why not demand more money, it would have increased the circulation and you guys obviously didn't have a lot of money coming in, why not i say. Love how you handled yourself in the pub. Sometimes the nosy b!tch in the corner who's always making snide comments about really personal and heartbreaking situation needs to be put in their place! ha i'm reading your story all out of order but its nice I like it. inspirational i say.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 16 months ago

Hi, nwt, thanks so much, I just lost it where that woman was concerned! I suddenly realised that it was better to fight back instead of hiding because of my husband, where the money was concerned I should have held out for some more, but that was the limit unfortunately, thanks again nell

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Justsilvie Level 4 Commenter 16 months ago

After reading all 3 parts Nell, I can only say the more I read your work the more I discover what an amazing, strong woman and an excellent writer you are.

You work is riveting, to the heart and with just enough of a touch of humor in even the most serious subjects to show someone the person behind the type is real, human and as gutsy as they come.

If you haven't written a book about your life, you should.

Take care, and have a wonderful day.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 16 months ago

Hi, Justsilvie, thank you so much, I really appreciate your kind words, and I will certainly try to do something with these stories, I will let you know if I get anywhere with it, lol thanks, nell

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Loveslove 16 months ago

What a strong person you are Nell..wel done to you for your strength and courage XX Not sure but I think I read your story in 'THATS LIFE '

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Nell Rose Hub Author 16 months ago

Hi, Loveslove, thanks so much, maybe you did see it, it was about 10 years ago, if I remember, a lot of it was romanticised but basically it was true, looking at it now would be really strange! I will have to go and find it, I know I have put it somewhere since I printed the page here, thanks again nell

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Eiddwen 14 months ago

Hi Nell,

I have missed this one . I seem to be playing catch you up with a few hubbers today.

My heart goes out to you but then i admire you as well.

I don't think that everyone would be or even could be as strong as you.

A great hub and I'm sure that writing and publishing on here has made a great difference. I know that it has with me.

Take care my friend Nell.

Eiddwen.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 14 months ago

Hi, Eiddwen, thanks I really appreciate your support, nell

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Cathy I 11 months ago

wow...I just read this hub, and I have to say that you are an amazing woman, to have endured so much and still be standing tall like a giant among us sharing your wisdom and healing your pain. You could probably put this whole story in a book and become a best selling author.

I really do admire you. You have such a capacity to love and protect him even through your own pain.

PS: Did you ever get any counselling before, during and after ?

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Nell Rose Hub Author 11 months ago

Hi, Cathy, thanks for reading, no I never had any counselling, well, maybe one session, but that was appalling! the girl was about 20 and knew nothing about what I was going through! so I gave up and did it myself! it was a nightmare to say the least, but we got there in the end, thanks so much, nell

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poetvix Level 7 Commenter 4 months ago

Nell, your my kind of gal! You have grit, guts, brains and some umph! Through it all you kept your soul, your compassion and your eye on what's right. I would be proud to call you a friend any day.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 4 months ago

Thank you so much! I am in the process of turning this into a book, as I get so many readers of it, and can't earn from my ads as they are disabled on here. not sure whether to send it to be published or do an ebook, we will have to see which one is the easier! lol! thanks again nell

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homesteadbound Level 8 Commenter 4 months ago

They say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I admire your strength.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 4 months ago

thank you homestead, its been difficult to say the least, but its one of those things that happen, hopefully if I meet someone else I will check them out first! lol!

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capricornrising Level 4 Commenter 4 months ago

Wow - that was quite a tale, and even more remarkable for being a true story. I read all three in one sitting! I'm also in awe of the character that is you - the unexpected defiance in contrast with the devastation and fear that took away control over your physical actions in the beginning. She is, you are, an amazing, complex and layered woman, and your story would make quite an interesting play or film. Thanks so much for sharing it!

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Nell Rose Hub Author 4 months ago

Thanks so much capricorn, it was a horrible time, but somehow I managed to get through my husbands 'infidelity' I suppose you could call it, thats the problem, it wasn't cheating, but it was in a strange way.

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sen.sush23 Level 6 Commenter 4 months ago

It is like having to make a way through a wilderness, where no body has ventured before you. I can feel the strength in your words, and the pain that you masque with bitter fun. My kudos to your brave spirit.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 4 months ago

Hi, sen, thanks so much for your kind words, it was hard seeing my husband like that, nell

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AliciaC Level 7 Commenter 3 months ago

Nell, I’ve just read your hubs about your experiences with your ex-husband, which I didn’t know about until recently. What powerful writing, and what a horrible and difficult time it was for you! I greatly admire your strength and determination.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 3 months ago

Thanks Alicia, it was hard and I still hate it, but what can you do? I am writing an ebook about it now, but I never seem to get it finished! lol!

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neeleshkulkarni 3 months ago

did you finally divorce him Nell?and if you did what made you go for that after the initial shock wore off?

That you can still smile that beautiful smile you have on in your display photograph shows what a wonderful thing a human being can be.A sure shot advertisement for the greatness of the human condition-Nell Rose- woman extraordinary.

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Nell Rose Hub Author 2 months ago

Thank you so much neeleshkulkarni, yes we divorced, and I dated a few times, but at the present time I am just on my own, and he lives upstairs and I have converted my downstairs into a flat, thanks again nell

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PDXKaraokeGuy Level 8 Commenter 2 months ago

nell, thank you so much for sharing this. I'm sorry it took so long to finish it, but I'm glad I did. Your life, and this story, would make a terribly interesting film!

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LABrashear Level 6 Commenter 2 months ago

Nell...you rock! I love that you can hold your head high, have some sarcasm, have some humor and make it through a situation many would not have been able to. Glad I read this!

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Nell Rose Hub Author 2 months ago

Hi, PDX, thanks so much for reading them all, I think it really has only touched the surface, there was so much more, but anyway, maybe I can get it all down in an ebook, I keep trying to finish it, but then I have to add more! lol! thanks so much, nell

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Nell Rose Hub Author 2 months ago

Hi, LABrashear, thanks so much, it was hard but it was either humor or depression, and I am a stubborn person! lol!

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